Did God Cause the Fall of Man? A Response to Arminian Today Part 2

This is part 2 of a series of posts in response to the post on the blog Arminian Today entitled "Did God Cause the Fall of Man?" I suggest you begin by reading Roy's post and my introduction to the series.

Because of the issue we are dealing with I think it would be helpful to begin with a couple of questions that can guide us.

Did God have a purpose in creating man?
If so, what was that purpose?
Did God intend for Christ to come into the world?

If God is a God worthy of our worship (and He most certainly is) He doesn’t just create haphazardly. The Bible clearly indicates that God is a God of purpose. He doesn’t only have purpose in the world now but He had purpose in the world when He created it. In short, God’s purpose in creation was (and is) His glory (Isaiah 43:7). God is most glorified through the work of His Son, Christ Jesus, who is the “radiance of the glory of God” (Hebrews 1:3), for whom and through whom He created everything (Colossians 1:16-18). The glory of God in Jesus Christ shines most brightly in the work that he has done for us in redeeming such vile sinners (Ephesians 1:6, 12, 14, 2 Cor. 4:6).

In the post to which I am responding Roy states,

“God did foreknow that Adam would fall but he did not force the Fall (1 Peter 1:20). God foreknew that Adam would transgress but he did not predestine the Fall.”

Sandwiched between two statements is his reference to 1 Peter 1:20,

“He [Christ] was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God” (1:20-21).

In no way does this text give the impression that God did not predestine the fall. One cannot separate what God foreknows from what he decrees, especially in the case of Christ. If Christ was foreknown in the same way that Roy says the fall of man was foreknown then God must not have even planned the incarnation. But I suggest to you that Christ was foreknown as the one who would come to save us from our sins. I suggest to you that God not only knew the fall would happen but that this fallen world is leading to the best of all possible worlds that will glorify God because of what He has done through the God-man Jesus Christ.

My confidence in this belief that God's purpose in creation was the same before and after the fall is not merely derived from logic or what I believe about God. What seals this belief for me is the continuity of the existence of the gospel before and after the fall. If this is true we can confidently say that the fall did not alter God's original intention in creation in any way. Here are a couple of examples:

Genesis 2:24 gives us a pre-fall institution of marriage. Certainly marriage was affected by the fall because Adam and Eve and all of their descendants would be marred by sin. However, the purpose of marriage was not changed by sin. Rather, the purpose of marriage was fulfilled because of the existence of sin. In Ephesians Paul tells us exactly what God's purpose has always been for marriage. After quoting Genesis 2:24 in Ephesians 5:31 Paul gives this new understanding to an old institution, "This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church." The word "mystery" can be interpreted in the light of Ephesians 3:5 as something that was hidden to previous generations but now revealed.

In order for the argument that God "foreknew but did not predestine" something to make sense it should be demonstrated that God was not actively "predestining" something that was directly affected by the event in question. Revelation 13:8 tells us that the Book of Life was written before the foundation of the world. Not only that but it is the Book of Life of the Lamb who was Slain. For what purpose was the Lamb slain?

God's foreknowledge is not a passive taking in of the future. In fact, every instance of the word imply God activity and contradict the thought that He was passive.

Next week, in part 3, I will deal with the difference between God's decree of the fall and the charge that this would mean He "caused" the fall. In part 4 I will defend the Biblical concept of God's love in view of the fact that He predestined the fall of man.

Grace and Peace,
Stephen

Did God Cause the Fall of Man? A Response to Arminian Today Part 1

Theology matters. It matters because it is the study of God. It matters because all of human history is tied up with the true God of the universe. Within Christian theology there are several disputed doctrines. There is hardly a doctrine that is not vital for saving knowledge of the gospel that has not been debated by faithful Christian men and women.

However, the fact that theology matters and that debate is important in settling issues does not negate the fact that humility, grace, and love should be characteristic of those debates. My attempt in this series is not to be mean spirited or hateful but, rather, loving and honest.

Roy, who writes the blog Arminian Today, is a good Christian guy. I discovered his blog after he commented on Jason Lapp's blog and Jason told me I had to look it up. I found Roy to be a good writer with a high view of God and Scripture and a gracious and loving tone. One thing about the blog struck me as odd, it was Arminian. Many of you have probably never heard a positive definition of Arminianism. Most probably know it as "not Calvinism" which is a good start but not a fair summary. However, rather than using this post to define Arminianism for you I simply commend Arminian Today for your research. I agree with many of the things Roy writes and appreciate even the things with which I would respectfully disagree. The point I want to make is that I had never read an Arminian that writes so much like my Calvinist friends and influences. It's great! I hope that you will read Roy's writing with the same discernment I expect you to use when reading my writing (which should be a lot!).

My next three posts will be a response to his article, "Did God Cause the Fall of Man?" Please read my tone as loving and honest. I will occasionally say that I flat out disagree with his interpretation or use of particular passages of Scripture. That does not mean that I am trying to be hateful or mean, it simply means that I disagree with him. This is a true response to him because he is fully aware of it. I hope that he can get the time to read this and respond a little but I have told him that it is not expected of him because he has a lot on his plate right now.

The fall of man is described in Genesis 3 and Romans 5:12-21. This is important stuff because I am making the case that God predestined the very event that put this world in a tailspin of sin and death. However, I see the Bible as presenting a God that decrees this kind of world so that He can rescue it for His glory.

Here is how the series will go:
Part 2- God Predestined the Fall
Part 3- Did God "Cause" the Fall?
Part 3- The Demonstration of God's Love After the Fall

Please read Roy's article before reading my response.

Grace and Peace,
Stephen

be great

i remember a time in my life when i wanted to be remembered. i wanted to live a great life and do something incredible and be remembered for my greatness. it was absolutely selfish of me because i wanted to be remembered for me, for being Sarah not for living for the glory of God. Thankfully God has been merciful and taken that silly idea out of my heart and replaced it with wanting to live for him. To lose my life for his sake rather than gaining the world and losing my soul.

I am still reading through the 5 points of calvinism and came across another wonderful quote in the appendix called "the practical importance of predestination" by loraine boettner. It has much to do with God's sovereignty but also with making our lives count for the glory of God:
"When a person sees himself as one of the Lord's chosen and knows that every one of his acts has an eternal significance, he realizes more clearly how serious life is, and he is fired with a new determination tomake his life count for great things." I can't make my life count for anything, there is nothing that i can do that people will remember for forever and ever and ever and if i lived for myself what a waste that would be. But when i give my life to let God use for his purposes and trust that he is sovereign that opens up so many doors for God to do whatever brings him most glory. i can only pray that i will be open to where the lord guides and directs, no matter what the circumstance. and i definitely hope that my glory doesn't ever get in the way of that. don't be great for you, be great for God

Grace and Peace
sarah B.

So Sovereign

Yesterday was just like any normal day for me. i got ready, i went to work, took my lunch break and as i sat at my computer to figure out what i wanted to prepare for today i got sidetracked reading another blog that some girlfriends of mine write on. It's nice keeping in touch but its even better when i find out that one of them is engaged. Oh what rapturous delight came upon me to know that a very dear friend will be getting married in about 2 months. talk about short engagement.

My friend and her fiance have had a very long history of being in and out of a relationship together and he even proposed to her before, but she broke it off. As i was thinking about their relationship and future marriage, i could not help but cry tears of happiness in the realization that God is so Sovereign in his timing and just overall sovereign. His ways are not our ways and his timing is always best. I love that God knows us best even more than we know ourselves. He is so good to divinely ordain big things and little things (whether good or bad) in our lives that all we should do is praise his name.

My husband brought up a good point in asking "what if they weren't going to get married ever" and i said then thats Gods will and thats what im happy for. So many people have this idea that God is sovereign only in the things that are good that happen in our lives, but he's sovereign and should be praised even in the "bad" times. Easier said that done, most definetly, but still so absolutely true.

So God,
thank you for being sovereign in your timing and knowing exactly when to place two people together and all the other big and little, "good" and "bad" things that happen in this short life of ours.

amen.

King Jehoshaphat's Prayer

After this the Moabites and Ammonites, and with them some of the Meunites, came against Jehoshaphat for battle. Some men came and told Jehoshaphat, "A great multitude is coming against you from Edom, from beyond the sea; and, behold, they are in Hazazon-tamar" (that is, Engedi). Then Jehoshaphat was afraid and set his face to seek the LORD, and proclaimed a fast throughout all Judah. And Judah assembled to seek help from the LORD; from all the cities of Judah they came to seek the LORD.

And Jehoshaphat stood in the assembly of Judah and Jerusalem, in the house of the LORD, before the new court, and said, "O LORD, God of our fathers, are you not God in heaven? You rule over all the kingdoms of the nations. In your hand are power and might, so that none is able to withstand you. Did you not, our God, drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel, and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend? And they have lived in it and have built for you in it a sanctuary for your name, saying, 'If disaster comes upon us, the sword, judgment, or pestilence, or famine, we will stand before this house and before you— for your name is in this house—and cry out to you in our affliction, and you will hear and save.' And now behold, the men of Ammon and Moab and Mount Seir, whom you would not let Israel invade when they came from the land of Egypt, and whom they avoided and did not destroy— behold, they reward us by coming to drive us out of your possession, which you have given us to inherit. O our God, will you not execute judgment on them? For we are powerless against this great horde that is coming against us. We do not know what to do, but our eyes are on you." --2 Chronicles 20:1-12

In Jehoshaphat's mind, he and the people that he was leading were on the verge of invasion and disaster. There was no appearance of a way out. There were no words slick enough to change the opposing armies' minds. There were no actions that could be taken to appease their enemies. There was not enough strength to defeat those who were coming after them. There was no way to win!

As these thoughts passed through the mind of the king, he turned to his God. Where else had he to turn? Read again these words that were prayed by the king aloud in front of his people: "We do not know what to do, but our eyes are on you". Imagine if we turned on the TV and heard the president of the United States pray these words. What humility! What a confidence in God. What faith! What a moment of true leadership! In a time where disaster and defeat were at the door and ready to crush all hope, the king of Judah turned to the King of the universe in faith.

What can we take away from Jehoshaphat's circumstance and response? Have you ever prayed "I do not know what to do, but my eyes are on you"? This seems like a simple prayer. Yet this is a self-confidence abandoning, pride-dissolving, heart-rearranging prayer. Maybe this prayer is not so simple. No one enjoys admitting that they don't know what to do. Yet in this story a king prays before his people these very words as he, in faith, throws himself upon the mercy of the Maker.

Do we have this kind of faith? Do we trust our Father this much? Do we have this kind of humility? Would we dare to pray this prayer? Would we dare to pray this prayer in front of others? Would we dare to pray this prayer before those whom we are responsible for or leading? Do we have this kind of confidence in God?

As the story progresses, we see that God chose to honor the king's prayer. As the king led his army to battle, trusting his Lord, the Bible tells us that God set an ambush for his enemies and that they were miraculously defeated. The king and his people gathered all the spoil and returned home. God's Word says that they had joy and rejoiced because of God's great victory.

This story from 2 Chronicles is a wonderful picture of our Sovereign Creator. Our God rules over all kingdoms. Our God has such power and might in his hand that none is able to withstand him. Our God is the God of Heaven and he does all that he pleases. How could we not, as the king of Judah did, fix our eyes on him? Jehoshaphat humbled himself before the Lord and the Lord raised him up and gave him the victory. It is impossible to pray a prayer like this when pride and self-confidence are too strong in our hearts. It is impossible to deal with pride appropriately without first kneeling in submission at the the foot of the cross. May we submit our hearts in humility to the one who humbled himself to the point of death, even death on the cross that we might live. Let us follow this example given to us and abandon any inappropriate faith, confidence, or reliance that rests on anything or anyone other than the matchless King of kings and Lord of lords.